JUDY WOODRUFF: Good evening.

I'm Judy Woodruff.

On the "NewsHour" tonight: President Trump gives a wide-ranging impromptu interview, but, later, the White House clarifies his stance on the GOP's immigration bill.

Then, we continue our series The End of AIDS, traveling to the American South, where prejudice and stigma help drive HIV rates higher than parts of sub-Saharan Africa.

SUSAN, HIV-Positive: You know, it's like we're on this desert island.

you know, a deserted island.

And unless you are HIV, you have no clue on what we're dealing with.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And it's Friday.

Mark Shields and David Brooks consider the aftermath of the historic summit with North Korea and the Justice Department's scathing internal report.

All that and more on tonight's "PBS NewsHour."

(BREAK) JUDY WOODRUFF: From North Korea to immigration to yesterday's report on the Hillary Clinton e-mail probe, President Trump had a lot to say this morning.

"NewsHour" White House correspondent Yamiche Alcindor reports.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: President Trump started his day with an impromptu walk across the White House lawn, where he gave a flurry of interviews to reporters.

First up, FOX News.

When questioned if North Korea's Kim Jong-un would be visiting the White House, the president said it could happen.

DONALD TRUMP, President of the United States: He's the head of a country.

And, I mean, he is the strong head.

Don't let anyone think anything different.

He speaks and his people sit up at attention.

I want my people to do the same.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Later, the president said he was joking, but continued to praise Kim, highlighting their new relationship that flourished during the June 12 Singapore summit.

DONALD TRUMP: I have a good relationship with Kim Jong-un.

I gave him a very direct number.

He can now call me if he has any difficulty.

I can call him.

We have communication.

It's a very good thing.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Mr. Trump defended his friendly interaction with the North Korean leader as a way to keep Americans safe.

DONALD TRUMP: I don't want to see a nuclear weapon destroy you and your family.

I want to have a good relationship with North Korea.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Another topic that he touched on?

The Department of Justice.

Mr. Trump claimed complete vindication by yesterday's inspector general's report on the Hillary Clinton e-mail probe.

DONALD TRUMP: It totally exonerates me.

There was no collusion, there was no obstruction.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: In fact, the report offered no such conclusion about Robert Mueller's special counsel investigation into Russian interference during the 2016 presidential election.

The 500-page report recommended possible disciplinary actions for five current or former DOJ staffers because of anti-Trump bias during the Clinton investigation.

The findings also faulted former FBI Director James Comey for his handling of the Clinton e-mail probe, but it found no evidence of political bias in his decision to not charge Clinton.

Earlier, Mr. Trump objected to that conclusion.

DONALD TRUMP: That wasn't the correct opinion, and that was ridiculous.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Later, at the impromptu gaggle: DONALD TRUMP: No, I hate it.

I hate the children being taken away.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: The president doubled down on blaming Democrats for separating children from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border.

DONALD TRUMP: The Democrats forced that law upon our nation.

And they can change the whole border security.

We need a wall.

We need border security.

We have got to get rid of catch and release.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: But it was Mr. Trump's attorney general, Jeff Sessions, who enacted the policy.

JEFF SESSIONS, U.S. Attorney General: Yes, we are pursing a zero-tolerance prosecution policy at the border.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: As of last month, it mandates everyone caught illegally entering the United States will be prosecuted, and children accompanying their parents will be separated and placed in a government facility or foster care while they wait for their day in court.

Today, federal officials said almost 2,000 children were separated from adults between April 19 and May 31.

In Scranton, Pennsylvania, Sessions once again defended the policy as necessary.

JEFF SESSIONS: We're going to restore rule of law in our immigration system.

That's a commitment that we made.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: But, back in Washington, the Democrats pushed back.

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), House Minority Leader: There's no policy justification for this.

It's all political.

The president is throwing red meat to his base when he does that.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Meanwhile, the president threw Republican immigration efforts into a tailspin today after he said he won't back a GOP compromise bill in the House.

DONALD TRUMP: I'm looking at both of them.

I certainly wouldn't sign the more moderate one.

YAMICHE ALCINDOR: Republican leaders reached an agreement to hold two votes next week on a pair of immigration bills, including a more moderate version.

Now the White House says the president supports both bills.

For the "PBS NewsHour," I'm Yamiche Alcindor.

JUDY WOODRUFF: In the day's other news: The Trump administration hit China with punishing new tariffs, the latest escalation in a trade battle with Beijing.

The U.S. imposed 25 percent tariffs on $50 billion worth of Chinese imports.

President Trump insisted that the U.S. had to act, after being -- quote -- "treated very unfairly" by China.

Beijing immediately threatened to strike back with similar penalties on over 600 American products, from cars to soybeans and seafood.

GENG SHUANG, Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson (through translator): If the United States takes unilateral, protectionist measures, harming China's interests, we will quickly react and take necessary steps to resolutely protect our fair, legitimate rights.

JUDY WOODRUFF: President Trump warned that, if China retaliated, the U.S. was prepared to answer with tariffs on an additional $100 billion in Chinese imports.

A federal judge ordered former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort to jail today to await two criminal trials in special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation.

Manafort appeared in court in Washington, and was taken into custody on charges of witness tampering.

He is the first Trump campaign official to be imprisoned as part of Mueller's probe.

Later, Rudy Giuliani, President Trump's personal attorney, told The New York Daily News that, in light of the move against Manafort, Mueller's investigation might get -- quote -- "cleaned up with some presidential pardons."

The Afghan military says that a U.S. drone strike has killed the head of Pakistan's Taliban.

Afghan officials said Mullah Fazlullah died yesterday in Afghanistan's Northeastern Kunar province.

Fazlullah ordered the assassination attempt on Nobel Peace Prize winner Malala Yousafzai in 2012.

The U.S. military confirmed that it had killed a senior leader, but didn't identify him as the target.

AT&T has now completed its $81 billion takeover of Time Warner two days after a federal judge approved the acquisition.

The Justice Department had argued the media mega-merger would drive up TV streaming prices and limit consumers' choices.

But Justice officials ultimately decided not to postpone the takeover while regulators considered an appeal.

The Kellogg Company is recalling over a million boxes of its Honey Smacks cereal after it was linked to a salmonella outbreak in 31 states.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said more than 73 people have gotten sick so far, mostly in California, New York, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts.

And concerns about a U.S. trade war with China pushed stocks lower on Wall Street today.

The Dow Jones industrial average lost more than 84 points to close at 25090.

The Nasdaq fell 14, and the S&P 500 slipped three.

Still to come on the "NewsHour": inside a children's migrant center in San Diego; we speak to two North Korea defectors about President Trump's dealing with Kim Jong-un; The End of AIDS, the challenge of beating back the epidemic in the American South; and much more.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security said today that nearly 2,000 children were separated from their families after illegally crossing the border in April and may.

What happens to these children afterwards has been a subject of ongoing debate.

Amna Nawaz reports.

AMNA NAWAZ: Last year, more than 40,000 unaccompanied immigrant children were housed in shelters run by the Department of Health and Human Services, a network of more than 100 facilities in 17 states.

Children now spend an average of 56 days in these shelters.

One of those facilities is Casa San Diego in Southern California, which houses 65 kids at a time and opened its doors to media today.

Jean Guerrero of PBS member station KPBS was there, and joins me now.

Jean, there's obviously a lot of interest about these shelters, about these facilities around the conversation of family separation.

Tell us what you saw inside the facility and how you were able to get inside in the first place.

JEAN GUERRERO, KPBS: Right.

So, as you mentioned, this is one of the smaller shelters, about 65.

It's an all-boys shelter.

And what we saw -- basically, we got to see the children engaged in a variety of different activities, in classrooms reading.

Some of them were just very silently reading.

We also got to go outside and watch them playing soccer.

So just a variety of different activities showing the kinds of things that they do at the shelter, but it was a process to be able to go on this tour.

As you mentioned, it was a very rare look inside of these children's - - Department of Health and Human Services rarely opens up these shelters to the media, because they want to protect the privacy of the children.

So in order to participate in the tour, we had to agree that we wouldn't be doing any kind of video recording, any kind of audio recording, no recording whatsoever.

We weren't allowed to speak to the children, so I couldn't interview any of this children to get their firsthand experience of what it's like to live at these shelters.

So even though we got to see them engaged in a variety of activities, it did seem like they were having a good time, like it was a real learning environment, we couldn't engage with them directly to get their experience.

AMNA NAWAZ: I should point out the pictures that we're seeing were handed out to us, taken by the facility, and provided to members of the media, since you weren't able to take your own pictures.

Very strict rules that they set forward before you can go in.

JEAN GUERRERO: That's right.

AMNA NAWAZ: No phones or recording devices.

You have to stay with the tour group at all time.

No interviews with staff or children unless arranged in advance.

What do we know about what the kids do day to day?

How do they spend those days inside these shelters?

JEAN GUERRERO: Right.

So they get about two hours of -- they get two hours of recreational activity.

One hour is structured.

The other is unstructured.

They can do pretty much whatever they want.

They have six hours of educational activities, so some of the classroom stuff that we saw.

And they do -- one of the things I found really interesting is they're able to make two phone calls a week, 10-minute-long phone calls, supervised phone calls.

And I just thought that was interesting, given the fact a lot -- an increasing number of these children are children who have been separated from their families under the new zero tolerance policy and the family separation practice that we're seeing under the Trump administration.

So the shelter didn't provide any details as to how much an increase they have seen in children who are coming in who are separated from families, but they did indicate that about 10 percent of the people -- of the boys who were currently at the shelter were separated from their families.

And the age range was about 6 to 17, and the average stay was consistent with the other shelters, about 50 days total.

AMNA NAWAZ: Jean, we know now there are some government numbers we can share about all the children in custody, the unaccompanied immigrant children.

As you mentioned, they fall in that age range.

The kids from fiscal year 2017, the government has said half of them were over the age of 14, also meaning half were under the age of 14.

Two-thirds were boys; 95 percent were from three countries, Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras.

Do you know any more about the kids in this facility?

JEAN GUERRERO: Yes, so we were speaking -- we got a chance to speak to a lot of the different staff members at the shelter.

And one of them was won't lead clinician, who talked about how these children are coming from Central America, in many cases fleeing violence and showing symptoms of trauma.

He didn't provide any details, but he did mention that some of the trauma that they are witnessing in these children comes from the family separation issue.

And so they provide meetings with clinicians who do mental health evaluations immediately upon the arrival of the children, and then they also do ongoing meetings with psychologists individually once a week and group settings another -- also once a week.

So, really, it was about trying to bring transparency to the process and what's going on at these shelters, trying to show us what the kids' lives are like.

But it was pretty difficult to really get a sense of it, given the fact that we weren't able to speak with the children directly, even off the record.

AMNA NAWAZ: A brief, but fascinating look inside one of these shelters.

Jean Guerrero from our member station KPBS, thanks for your time.

JEAN GUERRERO: Thank you.

JUDY WOODRUFF: As we reported earlier, President Trump again praised North Korea's Kim Jong-un today in glowing terms.

Mr. Trump has repeated that the nuclear weapons issue is now more important than 70 years of human rights atrocities committed by the Kim dynasty there.

Foreign affairs correspondent Nick Schifrin spoke today with two defectors to bring us that view from the North.

NICK SCHIFRIN: Of the 25 million residents of North Korea, more than 30,000 have escaped, and lived to tell their stories.

Sungju Lee and Ji Seong-ho are two of those defectors.

SUNGJU LEE, North Korean Defector: My father was a former military officer in North Korea.

I was born in Pyongyang.

And my father was working for Kim Il-Sung.

He passed away.

After he died, Kim Jong Il, second leader in North Korea, tried to clean the house.

So, at that time, my father also made a political mistake by saying, there is no hope in North Korea.

That's why my family was expelled to countryside.

When I was in Pyongyang, I was taught that North Korea is one of the best countries in the world.

But on the train cargo to the second hometown, well, there were so many beggars.

There were so many kind of kids begging food from people.

I question my father, "Father, where are we now?"

My father told me that, "Well, son, this is reality of North Korea."

JI SEONG-HO, North Korean Defector (through translator): I was always told I should be happy and thankful to our dear leader.

I believed I was happy, until I looked around and saw the reality.

People were dying and starving around me.

When I was young, I saw my grandmother starved to death.

I would steal coal from trains in order to trade it for food.

And, one day, I fell off the train.

That's where I lost my hand and leg.

This is where my hand was cut.

SUNGJU LEE: Although I was hungry, my father forced me to go to school.

One day, the principals gathered the students on the ground, saying that the entire school would go to a public execution site to watch public execution.

There was a man.

He tried to steal copper from factories, and he smuggled this to China.

So that's -- he got nine bullets from three police officers.

And then there was a woman.

She met a South Korean missionary in China.

Her crime was high treason.

So she got nine bullets as well.

My father told me that he wanted to go to China for food.

And I told him, don't go, because that's really dangerous, because I saw public execution.

NICK SCHIFRIN: And did he ever come back?

SUNGJU LEE: No, he didn't come back.

He didn't come back.

And then my mother left home.

That is the last time -- last time that I could feel her.

I had to survive by myself, because I'm the only child in my family.

So I gathered friends.

Including me, we were seven.

NICK SCHIFRIN: It was a gang.

Is that what you would call it?

SUNGJU LEE: Actually, yes, it's gang, because, I mean, at that time, there were so many gangs.

There were so many children gathered together because they had to protect each other.

NICK SCHIFRIN: Lee's grandfather found him on the streets, and helped him escape to South Korea.

Ji's journey, while disabled, was longer and harder.

JI SEONG-HO (through translator): I had to go to Laos, Myanmar, and Thailand and take a 6,000-kilometer journey to get to safety in South Korea.

It took over three months.

At one point in Laos, when I had to walk in the jungles on my crutches, it was just too hard, and I cried, and I said, why did I have to be born in North Korea?

But I was on a journey to find freedom, and I promised to myself that, if I made it safely to South Korea, I would work hard to make sure nobody would have to go through what I went through.

DONALD TRUMP, President of the United States: We are joined by one more witness.

His name is Mr. Ji Seong-ho.

NICK SCHIFRIN: That journey took him all the way to President Trump's 2017 State of the Union.

And he says he supports President Trump's meeting with Kim Jong-un, but says in it's important to talk about denuclearization and human rights.

JI SEONG-HO (through translator): I am hoping that this summit wasn't a one-off meeting.

I hope there will be more summits and meetings between the U.S. and North Korea, and Trump will raise North Korean human rights.

SUNGJU LEE: Nuclear issue and human rights issue has to go together.

United States is established based on values, which are freedom, democracy, and human rights.

I really appreciate Americans, because you guys have these values, enjoy these values.

Also, you guys have your own duty, which is that, if you have freedom -- if you have freedom, if you have democracy, if you have human rights, then you have to share these values with those who don't have these values.

NICK SCHIFRIN: In the last few years, North Koreans have had more freedom to run independent businesses.

Sungju Lee predicts that will change the country.

SUNGJU LEE: Through markets, there are now - - there are the new kind of a generation, new social class are growing.

So, if the number of these people expanded, that's going to be time for change of North Korea.

NICK SCHIFRIN: Sungju Lee and Ji Seong-ho recently won a National Endowment for Democracy award for work getting other North Koreans to safety.

But Sungju Lee's most important defector was from his own past.

And tell me how you responded when you found out your father was still alive.

SUNGJU LEE: I saw my father in South Korea.

I -- I just cried.

There's nothing to say.

There was nothing to say.

Literally, just I cried and cried and cried again.

So, my father approached me, and he hugged me, and then, saying, "Son, I'm so sorry."

And both of us were crying.

NICK SCHIFRIN: You reunited with your father, and you're also working to reunify Korea.

SUNGJU LEE: Yes.

NICK SCHIFRIN: Why?

What does it mean to reunify Korea for you?

SUNGJU LEE: It's only way to go home.

That's my personal -- personal thinking.

It's not government.

It's for people living in -- and people living in -- on the Korean Peninsula.

NICK SCHIFRIN: Until then, North Korea will remain a closed dictatorship, full of human rights abuses, as well as missiles and nuclear weapons.

For the "PBS NewsHour," I'm Nick Schifrin.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Now the last in our series on The End of AIDS.

Last night, we looked at the severe epidemic in the city of Miami, Florida.

But as William Brangham and producer Jason Kane report, the rest of Florida is struggling, too.

In the American South, stigma, poverty and lack of health care drive HIV rates higher than anywhere else in the country.

This series was supported by the Pulitzer Center for Crisis Reporting.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: HIV thrives in places like this.

While the Florida Keys are a tourist mecca, its sprawling distances and small towns make it a hard place to contain a virus.

Some patients, like Jason Barth, do seek out lifesaving HIV care, which is now proven to prevent transmission of the virus to others.

But Dr. Jerry Jackson says many don't come, and so new cases keep popping up in the Keys.

DR. JERRY JACKSON, Florida Department of Health: We should have zero.

But, instead, last year, I think we had 22 in our small little town.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Locals here joke that heading North in Florida takes you straight into the Deep South.

That includes a place known as America's Sweetest Town, Clewiston, Florida, home of the sugar company U.S. Sugar.

TIMOTHY "TAD" DEAN, HIV-Positive: Yes, I was the first male cheerleader in Clewiston.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: You were so cute.

And home to Timothy "Tad" Dean.

Do you remember any of the cheers from those days?

TIMOTHY "TAD" DEAN: I do, but I'm not doing.... (LAUGHTER) WILLIAM BRANGHAM: I don't blame you.

Almost 8,000 people live in Clewiston, on the banks of Lake Okeechobee, and Dean jokes that every single one of them knows his name.

They know his family, and they know that he's gay.

TIMOTHY "TAD" DEAN: Everybody in this town knows who I am.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Is that right?

Everybody.

TIMOTHY "TAD" DEAN: Everybody in this town knows who I am.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: You mean the guy at the gas station, the... TIMOTHY "TAD" DEAN: The gas station.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: The taqueria?

TIMOTHY "TAD" DEAN: The police department.

The sheriff's department.

I mean, Good Will.

I mean, everybody knows who I am, and everybody should know my story by now.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: That's partly why, 15 years ago, Dean was devastated to learn he was HIV-positive.

He was scared of the virus, yes, but more so by the prejudice and myths people have about those living with HIV TIMOTHY "TAD" DEAN: You can't touch their hand.

You can't do anything with them, because they're infecting everything.

You didn't want to go to the theater with them, because that seat was now infected.

Or don't go to the restaurant that he just went from.

So, I mean, it was sad.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Public health officials say these prejudices and fears conspire with poverty and lack of health care to keep America's HIV epidemic alive and well in the South.

It's estimated that more than half of all undiagnosed HIV cases are in the Southern U.S. More than half of all new diagnoses occur in the South.

Including D.C., eight of the top 10 states with the highest new diagnoses are here as well.

And Timothy Dean says, people just don't want to talk about it TIMOTHY "TAD" DEAN: It's not out there.

The messages are not on the billboards.

They're not on the bus stops.

There's no message here.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: After five years of silence, Dean decided to, as he puts it, live positive, tattooing the words on his arm, and speaking out publicly.

TIMOTHY "TAD" DEAN: I woke up one morning, I'm like, dude, better do something.

There are kids out there who are putting themselves in danger, putting their self at risk.

So, how can I use this as my platform?

Four columns for four girls.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Today, Dean works two jobs.

He coaches young women in poise and technique for beauty pageants.

And, for his day job, he also coaches newly diagnosed HIV-positive people at the local department of health.

We weren't allowed to film there, and none of his clients were open to talking with us.

Still too much fear, Dean says.

TIMOTHY "TAD" DEAN: They're afraid they're not going to be loved, they're not going to be cared for by their families and their friends.

They're scared their friends are going to leave.

A lot of our -- a lot of people here that are positive don't even come to care here.

They will go out of town.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: This fear has some very real consequences.

Studies show that stigma and prejudice around HIV can lead to higher-risk behavior, which can increase the chance of infection, and not taking medication regularly.

Jon Cohen has covered HIV/AIDS around the world for "Science" magazine, and he was our partner on this series.

JON COHEN, "Science": You know, we're also in the Bible Belt.

There's a really strong... WILLIAM BRANGHAM: People don't think of Florida that way, but... JON COHEN: But, certainly, regions we have already seen that aren't that far from Miami, very religious.

And that influences the way people respond to the groups who are at risk.

Let's take gay men, you know?

And so that makes people afraid to simply go get an HIV test, because they're worried that somebody at the clinic's going to say, hey, you know, your son came in for a test.

What's up here, you know?

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Or you sidle up to someone at the pharmacy and they see what you're getting, and... JON COHEN: Exactly.

You don't even want to go get your drugs at your town pharmacies.

All of that makes it a really dangerous place, in many ways, for somebody living with HIV.

SUSAN, HIV-Positive: You know, it's like we're on a desert island, you know, a deserted island.

And, unless you are HIV, you have no clue on what we're dealing with.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: This woman is HIV-positive, and lives in North Central Florida.

She asked we not reveal her identity.

We will call her Susan.

She's struggled with her meds and making it to the doctor an hour away, but what's hardest, she says, is the silence and the judgment.

After Susan found out her status, even her husband said, don't tell anyone.

SUSAN: Every visit, the doctor's saying, tell your children.

And my husband all the way home, arguing, I'm telling you, don't tell them.

You will be sorry, because they will treat you different.

They will be different toward you.

And I said no.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Susan eventually did tell her kids, and she later found her way to this support group.

It's all HIV-positive women called Let's Talk About It.

And it's run by the nonprofit Rural Women's Health Project.

It's the only group of its kind for 15 counties.

That's a huge swathe of North Central Florida.

MARVENE EDWARDS, HIV-Positive: We have come through some things together, some real serious things together.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: If you spend time with this group, the first thing you realize is that HIV still hangs over each of them like a Scarlet letter.

ANGELA PRETTO, HIV-Positive: You tell someone you have cancer, and they're so sympathetic with you.

But you say you have HIV, and that's a whole different ball game.

SUSAN: They think we're either -- we're sluts or we're drug users.

You know, when they find out you're HIV, first thing they want to know is, how did you get HIV?

What did you do wrong?

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: They say it's like the U.S. hasn't moved past decades-old misconceptions.

NATALIE DAVIS-DOUGLAS, HIV-Positive: Its still going on.

It's 2018, guys.

What's the problem?

What's the situation?

What's the issues?

Why is this problem so, and deep in the South?

Why are we still having this problem?

It all goes back to the stigma, when people didn't know about the disease.

ROBIN LEWY, Rural Women's Health Project: When the women talk about education, they really mean it, because they live it.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Robin Lewy runs the Rural Women's Health Project.

She says even misunderstandings about how HIV is transmitted increases the women's sense of isolation.

ROBIN LEWY: If you want an example of stigma, it's women who have to sit down with their family, and those who are living with HIV eat off of a paper plate.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Wait, everyone else has a regular plate?

ROBIN LEWY: Everybody else is eating with a regular plate.

They're eating off of a paper plate.

That's stigma.

We have had women that talk to us about, in their own homes, the rest of the family going in and spraying bleach on their toilet after she has used the bathroom.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: In this day and age?

ROBIN LEWY: 2018.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: The women say there's plenty of blame to go around, lack of education, religious intolerance, racism, even resistance from local health officials.

When Angela Pretto tried to start an earlier support group at her church, a county health department intervened, telling her not to mention HIV in any of her flyers.

No telling what the neighbors might do.

ANGELA PRETTO: So I had to change the name to the Step Club, like an exercise group, it sounds like.

We have to break the stigma.

And this is the face of HIV.

MAN: That's right.

And it's a great face.

ANGELA PRETTO: Thank you.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Marvene Edwards says getting past all of this will mean people like her speaking out and overcoming their own internal stigma.

She spent years wondering, why me?

MARVENE EDWARDS: You come to a point in your life when you say, why not?

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Really?

MARVENE EDWARDS: Why not me?

You know, that's when you have gotten to the point where you're OK in your own skin.

And you got to get to that point, where who -- what -- care about what other people say or think, because they're going to say and think what they want to anyway.

I will not allow what another person thinks dictate to me the woman that I am, because I'm bigger than HIV.

It lives in my house.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: Back in the Florida Keys, Jason Barth says, nearly two decades on, he's mostly at peace with his own HIV diagnosis.

JASON BARTH, HIV-Positive: I don't want to be defined by it.

I don't want that to be the one thing that people define me by.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: He's now on top-notch HIV medication.

The virus inside, undetectable.

But Jason still has a lab report he got back in 1996, one that shows how very close he came to death.

HIV had destroyed nearly all his immune cells.

Why did you keep this?

Most people throw their lab reports out.

JASON BARTH: A reminder of where I was and how low I was at the time, to keep me appreciating what I have now.

WILLIAM BRANGHAM: The rural South has struggled responding to its epidemic, and has often been less than hospitable to those living with HIV.

But Jason Barth is a reminder that, no matter how bad things get, circumstances can change.

For the "PBS NewsHour," I'm William Brangham in the Florida Keys.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Now: an extraordinary crisis for the Catholic Church and test for the pope himself.

This week, Pope Francis announced that he would accept the resignation of three bishops in the South American country of Chile.

Two days later, Chilean police made surprise raids on church offices.

It is all part of an ongoing child abuse scandal that began in 2010 and continues to reverberate across Latin America and beyond.

Jeffrey Brown reports from Santiago, Chile.

JEFFREY BROWN: Jaime Concha says he was just 10 years old when the abuse began.

JAIME CONCHA, Alleges Abuse (through translator): There are six adults who abused me again, repeatedly and systematically, between the year 1973 and 1979.

It's as if a pack, a tribe, a group of sexual predators had attacked me time and time again.

And that for me was almost like a murder.

I felt they as if they had murdered me.

JEFFREY BROWN: At the time, he was a fifth-grader at this Catholic school in Santiago.

It took more than 40 years before Concha was able to speak publicly about what happened.

JAIME CONCHA (through translator): A victim of sexual abuse doesn't speak when he wants.

He speaks when he can, because our victimizers silence us.

I have been able to heal by seeing that my suffering became meaningful in the search for justice.

JEFFREY BROWN: Other victims are also speaking out, and, today, nearly 80 Catholic clergy across Chile have been accused of sexually abusing minors over the last several decades.

The child abuse scandal here has grown into a national crisis, in a country where the church has historically been one of the most powerful institutions.

PAULINA DE ALLENDE-SALAZAR, Investigative Journalist (through translator): We began with a horrific story that was hard to believe, and, today, it's become a cultural problem, a problem about our social structure.

JEFFREY BROWN: In 2010, investigative journalist Paulina de Allende Salazar received a tip that sexual abuse and cover-up had been rampant within the Chilean church for decades.

PAULINA DE ALLENDE-SALAZAR (through translator): The reaction was hard, especially for the faithful, especially for the ones who blindly believed in the Catholic Church.

JEFFREY BROWN: Her reporting uncovered widespread abuse by Father Fernando Karadima of Santiago, a widely respected and powerful priest who many felt would one day be declared a saint by the church.

PAULINA DE ALLENDE-SALAZAR (through translator): Fernando Karadima was the tip of the iceberg that uncovered a system of sexual abuse.

He trained bishops under his own structure, a conservative and rigid one that abused its power.

JEFFREY BROWN: Jose Andres Murillo, now 43, claimed Father Karadima sexually abused him in the 1990s while he trained to become a priest.

He says many Chileans initially refused to believe the allegations.

How were you treated?

What were you called?

JOSE ANDRES MURILLO, Alleges Abuse (through translator): We were gays, or enemies of the church, or trying to destroy the morale and the ethics of our country.

It was very, very, very hard.

JEFFREY BROWN: In 2011, Father Karadima, then 80, was found guilty by the Vatican of sexually abusing young boys.

He was forced to retire and sentenced by the church to a lifetime of penance and prayer, but he never faced criminal charges because of Chile's statute of limitation laws.

Public perception, however, has slowly changed, as more allegations of abuse came to light.

And the scandal has clearly had an impact.

Today, just 36 percent of Chileans say they trust the church, and the number who identify as Catholic is down from 61 percent in 2010 to 45 percent last year.

PAULINA DE ALLENDE-SALAZAR (through translator): There is a powerful church that still today doesn't understand what happened.

It doesn't understand the damage it caused.

JEFFREY BROWN: When Pope Francis came to Chile in January, he clearly hoped to begin to repair the damage.

Instead, he was forced to address his own appointment of Juan Barros as a bishop in 2015, a move that came after Barros had been accused of witnessing and covering up the sexual abuses committed by Father Karadima.

Barros has denied the allegations.

Francis initially defended Barros, going so far as to charge his accusers with slander.

POPE FRANCIS, Leader of Catholic Church (through translator): The investigation of Barros went on, but no evidence came out.

For this reason, what I meant is that I can't condemn him, because I don't have evidence, and because I am convinced he is innocent.

JEFFREY BROWN: But the pope's comments drew outrage in Chile and beyond, spurring him to order a new investigation into the extent of abuse.

Its findings led Francis to issue an extraordinary apology, citing his own -- quote -- "serious errors of judgment and perception of the situation."

In May, he summoned all of Chile's bishops to Rome and later invited the three original accusers of Father Karadima to come to the Vatican to ask their forgiveness.

JOSE ANDRES MURILLO: Never in my life I would think I would be invited by the pope to the Vatican to talk to him.

That was unthinkable.

I thought that I would have, like, 15 or 20 minutes to talk to him.

Afterwards, we talked during two hours about the abuse of power.

JEFFREY BROWN: Were you satisfied with what he told you?

JOSE ANDRES MURILLO: I'm satisfied with what I told him.

JEFFREY BROWN: With what you told him?

JOSE ANDRES MURILLO: Yes, yes, because that's what I can control.

JEFFREY BROWN: Soon after, all 34 of Chile's bishops offered to resign.

At a news conference in late May that we attended, one of them, Bishop Fernando Ramos, read a letter from the pope that promised the church would -- quote -- "never again ignore the cover-up of abuse."

I spoke with Bishop Ramos afterwards.

How serious a crisis is this for the Chilean church?

BISHOP FERNANDO RAMOS, Catholic Church (through translator): I think it's a very serious crisis.

Our relationship with the Chilean society is being seen through these situations, and not around what our mission is.

JEFFREY BROWN: Abuse, cover-up, indifference, from the church itself, do you accept all of this now?

BISHOP FERNANDO RAMOS (through translator): I can't say that the whole church is abuse and cover-up.

I think that would be unfair.

But, nevertheless, there is and there have been, in the church, situations of abuse and cover-up, which is why we have to work intensely to overcome it.

JEFFREY BROWN: But Juan Carlos Claret, a spokesperson for a lay Catholic group formed in the wake of the abuse scandal, says more direct action is required.

JUAN CARLOS CLARET, Laicos de Osorno (through translator): We have to recognize that the Chilean government, in regards to protecting children, has very weak laws.

What concerns us about the bishops' resignations is that a resignation en masse may end up dissolving their criminal responsibility.

For this reason, we have formally demanded that, if the pope reveals that there are bishops who have committed crimes, such as the destruction of evidence, they are turned over to justice.

JEFFREY BROWN: Last month, Chile's President Sebastian Pinera presented a bill that would remove the statute of limitations on sex crimes.

Jamie Concha and other victims have recently filed criminal complaints against three Catholic priests and other members of the church.

JAIME CONCHA (through translator): We want the criminals to be where they need to be - - that's jail -- and there be no impunity.

JEFFREY BROWN: On a recent Sunday morning in Santiago, many pews in this church were empty.

But some congregants here said the crisis could offer a new way forward.

MIGUEL ANGEL DIAZ, Chilean Catholic (through translator): This is a great chance for the pope to give us the church that we really need at this time.

This situation is in no way the end of the church.

ANA MARIA REPIC, Chilean Catholic (through translator): I pray for the pope, because I hope he acts as he should, with strength.

And I think that all of us who are faithful support him in that sense.

JEFFREY BROWN: Eight years after first going public, Jose Andres Murillo no longer considers himself a Catholic.

He now heads a foundation that offers training to those who work with children, investigates new charges of abuse, and helps victims slowly recover their lives.

JOSE ANDRES MURILLO: Now the meaning of my life is to fight against the child sexual abuse.

And the church is in charge of almost 200 million of children in the world.

And I owe them the right to develop their faith free of abuse.

JEFFREY BROWN: This week, the pope announced he would accept the resignations of Bishop Juan Barros and two other bishops.

In response, Jose Andres Murillo told us he hopes all victims will now feel safe to speak out and will receive justice.

For the "PBS NewsHour," I'm Jeffrey Brown in Santiago, Chile.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And now to the analysis of Shields and Brooks.

That's syndicated columnist Mark Shields and New York Times columnist David Brooks.

Welcome to both of you.

Let's start with what happened this week on the other side of the Pacific Ocean.

David, the president met, historic meeting, Kim Jong-un, the leader of North Korea.

The president comes away saying there's no more nuclear threat, he's got very good personal chemistry, personal relationship with Mr. Kim.

What's your take?

DAVID BROOKS: I read a joke this week that the lion can lie down with the lamb, but you got to get a new lamb each day.

So, I give him more credit than a lot other people that I'm reading.

We were -- and people who really knew the North Korean situation were terrified six, eight, 10 months ago that we were really heading in a bad direction and things -- there was some danger of things spinning out of control.

And now that doesn't seem to be the case.

Now, there's -- tensions have settled.

There seems to be no risk of any confrontation or war.

And so, to me, that's the big story, and that's the lead and that's a good thing.

Now, once you get down to the second and third paragraph, it begins to deteriorate quickly.

And the things Trump said about the regime, calling a murderous dictator a tough guy, that's horrific.

The way human rights are treated, the way he just flippantly tossed off the practice, the war games, is horrific.

But, to me, those are serious deficits.

He did a good thing in the worst possible way.

JUDY WOODRUFF: What's your take, Mark?

MARK SHIELDS: Well, Judy, quite frankly, a few months ago, you had two major powers flexing their nuclear biceps and issuing threats, serious threats, to each other, and we thought we were on the edge of war.

We're not today.

That's good.

I have no idea what's in it -- I don't know anybody else who does -- in the agreement.

The president has assured us there's no longer... JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, there's not an agreement yet.

MARK SHIELDS: There's not an agreement, but in the documents.

But to treat North Korea as this -- this is a regime that stands alone in the world, for hundreds of thousands of people being exterminated, that has consistently, as a matter of policy, used rape and forcible abortions and starvation on its own people.

Hundreds of thousands of people have been exterminated.

And for the president to blithely -- I'm not, you know, insisting that human rights be the centerpiece, but it has been important in every American element of foreign policy over the last generations.

I mean, from Jimmy Carter to Ronald Reagan, it's been central.

And human rights -- the United States didn't invent human rights, but, as Carter said, human rights, to a great degree, did invent America.

And the president is blithely indifferent to that... (CROSSTALK) DAVID BROOKS: It's also as a foil to what happened in Europe or in Quebec with the G7 the week before.

And you see him with two different sorts of relationships.

With somebody like Putin or with somebody like Kim Jong-un, it's like dictator to dictator.

It's like, we understand how to deal with power relationships.

He feels comfortable in that kind of thing.

When he's dealing with Trudeau or Merkel, it should be friends, and it should be a relationship on affection and mutual trust and reciprocity.

And he's a little uncomfortable in those circumstances.

JUDY WOODRUFF: How do you explain that?

DAVID BROOKS: Well, I think, through his business life, he's not had a series of relationships based on friendship, trust, and reciprocity and affection.

He's had relationships based strictly on self-interest and the urge to dominate.

And he just feels comfortable in one kind of relationship.

And, frankly, that's even true within his White House.

He has relationships based on who's useful to who, not, we are a band of brothers in this together.

JUDY WOODRUFF: But, at this point, Mark, your point is that at least we're not -- we don't think we're on the verge of war.

MARK SHIELDS: No, we aren't.

And I think that's good.

I think that's a positive.

Churchill said it far better and shorter, that jaw, jaw, jaw is better than war, war, war.

And I think that's true.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, let's move to something that happened yesterday, David, the Justice Department report looking at how the FBI handled the Hillary Clinton investigation.

Very tough on James Comey, saying he was insubordinate, some other tough criticism of him, but, ultimately, 500 pages concluded that the way the FBI handled it didn't demonstrate bias.

The president is saying this exonerates him, it proves that the leadership of the FBI was all -- were all bad.

DAVID BROOKS: Yes.

JUDY WOODRUFF: What are we to make of it?

DAVID BROOKS: I think it exonerates all of us.

It... (LAUGHTER) (CROSSTALK) DAVID BROOKS: ... all of our priors.

I think the main -- again, it's one of these deals where you have got a headline and then some undercutting subterfuge.

And the headline to me is that the institution basically worked, that the actual investigations were basically done without any political bias.

And that's worth reminding people, that there is such a thing as a professional civil service these days, when everyone thinks it's all political and it's al a swamp.

It's not a swamp.

These are hardworking people, and they seem to have been basically doing their job.

There have been a couple of demerits on that.

One, the few e-mails that were -- where people within the FBI were clearly -- were motivated by a Trump bias.

And that will work to -- we have seen Rudy Giuliani in the past couple of days ramp up his rhetoric about the investigation.

And it seems to me it makes it, along with the Mark Sanford defeat, much more likely that, if Trump does ever take action against Mueller, that the GOP will get in line, and they will have a little more evidence to say, yes, it's a corrupt investigation.

As for Comey, he had a tough call, to disclose something or not to disclose.

And I could argue it either way.

I take the I.G.

verdict that he made the wrong call.

And so he will get some criticism for that, and maybe justifiable.

It is, frankly, a little interesting to me to see a lot of Democrats suddenly being in favor for secrecy in government.

And they want him -- oh, we got to keep these things secret before an election.

And I, as a personal matter, think secrecy is often a good thing in government, and open government is not always a good thing.

And I'm glad to see so much support from the left these days.

(LAUGHTER) MARK SHIELDS: Take it where you can get it.

(LAUGHTER) JUDY WOODRUFF: So, does this report clear the air, Mark?

What does it... MARK SHIELDS: Oh, there's something for everybody.

If you're a flat Earth person or you're a round Earth person, there's something.

You have got some evidence, very sparse, but nevertheless there, that there was bias on the part of FBI people against Donald Trump.

What Rudy Giuliani and none of Donald Trump's supporters, admirers or the president himself cannot answer is, if there was this great conspiracy against him, and they had all the information about Paul Manafort and Donald Trump Jr. and meeting with Russians and back and forth, why was it not mentioned during the campaign, and the only real actions from the part of the FBI during the campaign were, if anything, detrimental to the candidacy of Hillary Clinton?

But the irony is that what the report -- to me anyway, is that Donald Trump's original rationale for getting rid of James Comey, which was in a letter of Rod Rosenstein about his handling of the Clinton charges, you know, really got some corroboration in the report.

But the irony, of course, is that Trump himself abandoned that as soon as he met Lester Holt's microphone and started talking to the Russian ambassador about, the reason I got rid of him was because of Russia.

I was going to get rid of Comey regardless of anything, get him for double parking or tearing the tag off the mattress.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, David, and you mentioned Rudy Giuliani, the president's lawyer.

He is now saying, as a result of this report, that the Mueller investigation needs to be put on hold.

DAVID BROOKS: Yes, which, you know, again, it's a reminder there are professional investigations.

And Mueller seems to be holding a professional investigation.

But the e-mails were bad.

And if you believe the deep state is against your guy, Donald Trump, those e-mails look like a vindication for your point of view.

The other thing that's resurfaced again -- we keep relitigating the 2016 election -- is that the Comey decision to go public cost Hillary Clinton the election.

And there is some evidence to that.

The polling did shift with that.

The only thing I would say is that that story had such effect because it confirmed the key vulnerability that Hillary Clinton brought into the election, that she was part of the corrupt old establishment.

And it wasn't what Comey did.

It's because it reminded people of what they didn't like about her in the first place.

And so some of the error at least was in nominating a person who was exactly wrong on the core issue for a lot of the electorate.

JUDY WOODRUFF: I want to turn to the issue that we led the show with.

We have only got a few minutes left.

But it's immigration.

Mark, so much conversation right now.

And Amna interviewed a reporter who had been -- at the beginning of the show -- had spent this day out looking at one of those detention centers where they're keeping children separate from their families.

This has now become the symbol of the administration policy toward immigrants.

Do we now -- the president said today -- he -- at one point, he said he wasn't for whatever the Republicans are doing.

And then I guess the White House issued a statement late today which left it unclear, that he could go either way.

Are we going to see clarity on the issue of immigration any time soon from this administration?

MARK SHIELDS: No.

They can't pass -- nothing can pass the Congress.

And anything that they might get by the Senate - - the House with only Republican votes -- they have drawn it that way -- they would get no Democratic votes as it's presently drawn -- can't get -- in the Senate, Mitch McConnell is not going to take it up.

The president said that he was against the moderate plan, and then, this afternoon, came back and said, no, no, he wasn't talking about the moderate plan.

He was talking about the discharge petition.

You know, so this is the example.

If anybody wants to know why Donald Trump will not testify before the Mueller investigation, this is a perfect example.

He cannot sustain an answer for six hours or answer a question based on facts.

It's that simple.

As far as immigration is concerned, I think it's really turning against the administration.

The -- not only the Catholic bishop of Scranton, who had a scorching statement when Jeff Sessions appeared there today, not personal, but on what America stood for, what Christian values were, and welcoming the stranger.

But, also, evangelical churches and the Southern Baptist Convention, they have spoken out against the separation of family.

You don't take a child away from its mother.

And I don't think there's any question that it's not only wrong and immoral.

It's a loser politically at this point for the administration.

JUDY WOODRUFF: David.

DAVID BROOKS: I liked, in the FOX interview, when he heard the word moderate, he reacted to it like it was the word rabies.

Like, he was just like, I got to be against that.

(LAUGHTER) DAVID BROOKS: And -- but the... JUDY WOODRUFF: Well... (LAUGHTER) DAVID BROOKS: And then on this issue, I agree with Mark.

And I go back to my thing of why he can't deal with friends in the G7.

If you take qualities like affection, mercy, charity, compassion, empathy out of an administration, you wind up with policies like this.

Administrations of the past could have done this.

The law sort of allows it.

There's flexibility.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And citing the Bible.

DAVID BROOKS: Yes.

Well, and then you cite the Bible on your behalf, which is ludicrousness on stilts.

But they -- every other administration said, it's just not who we are.

We don't separate families.

Maybe there's a legal pretext, but we don't do that.

And that's because there is some native compassion and empathy.

And that's been drained out of this policy.

And it's abhorrent.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And, on that note, we will leave it.

David Brooks, Mark Shields, thank you.

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Tonight on "Washington Week," Robert Costa takes a closer look at President Trump's unconventional approach to foreign policy with three reporters who traveled with him to meet North Korea's Kim Jong-un.

Tomorrow, on "PBS NewsHour Weekend": A humanitarian crisis looms in Bosnia, as refugees attempt a new route into Europe.

And that is the "NewsHour" for tonight.

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Thank you, and we'll see you soon.